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La conférence D is for Digitize a commencé depuis jeudi à la New York Law School et doit se terminer aujourd’hui.
On y parle du Règlement Google Book Search, au travers de tables rondes réunissant des spécialistes américains et étrangers.
Plusieurs participants (@oitp, @CopyrightLibn, @ochlocracylaw …) nous tiennent informés en direct des débats en envoyant des extraits et des impressions sur Twitter, que l’on peut retrouver grâce au hashtag #disfordigitize.
Morceaux choisis (c’est un peu fastidieux à lire, je vous l’accorde, mais quand même passionnant !)
oitp Grimmelmann welcomes everyone, reiterates mantra of NYLS: “Learn law, take action” #disfordigitize #gbs
stevenjayl #disfordigitize First comment [Par James Grimmelmann]: I’ve been studying the settlement for a year and still don’t know more than I do know about it.
oitp first panel “L is for Lawsuit” featuring Cynthia Arato, Jonathan Band, Kiran Raj, mod. Richard Chused #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Arato: some saw agreement as more of a broad commercial transaction rather than a true settlement #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Band: DOJ filing was game changer #disfordigitize #gbs
CopyrightLibn lawsuit was “is snippet view fair use?”; settlement goes far beyond. Band read DOJ as suggesting scale it back to that. #disfordigitize
susandanziger Was “bizarre” that DOJ was so concerned about foreign rights holders. #disfordigitize
MJHealy Jonathan Band at #disfordigitize - virtually no US publishers filed objections to the settlement.
CopyrightLibn Band: foreign publ’rs objected more - possibly b/c kind of weirded out by US class action system. #disfordigitize
oitp Arato: for U.S. works to be included in settlement, they have to be registered; not so for foreign works #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Raj: in revised settlement, parties need to hash out opt-in vs. opt-out; settlement 1.0 used opt-out #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Arato: when you have opt-out, you get wide participation; when you have opt-in, you don’t; how does this affect $? #disfordigitize #gbs
susandanziger Big question is if settlement is paired down, will Google make same financial commitment to Book Rights Registry, etc. #disfordigitize
oitp Band: more than 95% of books bought by U.S. research libraries are academic books, not bestsellers; need rep. on board #disfordigitize #gbs
CopyrightLibn Chused: stlmt is being renegot w/out reps for some major interests. Arato: that’ll come up in adequacy determ, thru DOJ #disfordigitize
oitp Q from @stevenjayl: Is it impossible for competitor to get same terms as Google w/o litigation? #disfordigitize #gbs
mblafkin Jonathan Band essentially said the barriers to entry so high that the competition issue could be relatively moot. #disfordigitize
oitp Band: could have opt-in for consumer purchase; but institutional subscription would need opt-out for it to be useful #disfordigitize #gbs
CopyrightLibn Q on legal strategy of copying and inviting suit. Chused: closest model = Napster (which failed). #disfordigitize
susandanziger Was rights holders’ suggestion for Google to expand beyond snippets of books to entire books — not Google’s #disfordigitize
CopyrightLibn Band: Major one-time transaction cost = how to set up the mkt for digital books - in US and overseas. But law is territorial #disfordigitize
oitp “I is for Industry” with Michael Cairns, Dan Clancy, Andrew DeVore, Michael Healy, Victor Perlman, mod. Steven Hetcher #disfordigitize #gbs
stevenjayl #disfordigitize How many orphaned books are there: Michael Cairns says it’s 580,388. So there.
robinsloan Q: How many books published in the U.S., 1920-2000? Unique works — diff editions don’t count. A: ~2.5 million. #disfordigitize
CopyrightLibn RT @oitp Cairns estimates gross number of orphan books: 580,388 #disfordigitize | omits ephem/unpub/etc, I think. Tho those aren’t in #GBS
oitp DeVore: settlement would give Google treasure trove of information to create new products #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Healy: 2/3 of book industry revenues are generated by publishers making over $50M each year, but long tail growing #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Healy: only 4% of book revenues last year came from scholarly sector, even though they most implicated by settlement #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Perlman representing photographers’ groups: for photographers, “I is for Invisible”; they are left out of settlement #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Perlman: RE: images stripped from books: What good is an illustrated book without illustrations? #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Clancy: approx. 97% of book market is for in-print books #disfordigitize #gbs
library_breath Clancy: digital distribution cost goes to zero; cost of clearing rights is up up #disfordigitize #gbs http://bit.ly/12eFiw
CopyrightLibn Clancy: #GBS will _not_ be fndn of dig bk mkt; deals w/3% (out-of-print) of the mkt. #disfordigitize
oitp Q: Could data collected so far in rightsholders signing up/opting out of settlement help to inform orphan books stats? #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp “K is for Keynote” discussion with Paul Courant, Pam Samuelson, moderated by Grimmelmann #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Courant: Settlement raised the possibility that academic works would be broadly available to all; is this still true? #disfordigitize #gbs
robinsloan “We have to do it through class action because Congress is broken.” GOOG rationale for books settlement. Wow! #disfordigitize
CopyrightLibn Samuelson: one concern is charging printing fees in libs back to BRR. This is a cession of a quite-possibly-fair use. #disfordigitize
oitp Courant: benefits of access to large collection for scholars and general public is good; risks manageable #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Samuelson: bc out of print book market is small today does not mean it will remain small; GOOG thinks they r valuable #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Courant: We need to help willing academics lead in putting their books into public domain #disfordigitize #gbs
stevenjayl #disfordigitize Will the Google book repository sold to libararies have ads? Google says, maybe, if institutions want it cheap. hmm.
TechLaw_Elman Prof Pamela Samuelson: If you create a public good this large, you have public responsibilities. #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Murrell: Why is access to 100% of out-of-print books such an outrageous desire? #disfordigitize #gbs
TheSarahBellum @robinsloan: “Books not just containers for facts. #gbs does not say much abt books as cultural tools” http://bit.ly/8qrzy #disfordigitize
CopyrightLibn spkr @robinsloan: if GBS shows future of books “maybe our imagination for books will fade” #disfordigitize
oitp Duguid criticizing GOOG on cataloging and metadata of Google Book Search product #disfordigitize #gbs
TheSarahBellum Duguid comparing G.Bks and ProjectGutenberg re: indexing and cataloging. G was expected to do a better job…it hasn’t #gbs #disfordigitize
CopyrightLibn Duguid illustrates GB errors, says technologists should listen “just a little bit more to librarians and scholars. #disfordigitize
mblafkin Duiguid’s concerns seem based on Google’s philosophy. Not “do no evil” but “automate everything, accuracy is secondary” #disfordigitize
TheSarahBellum “I don’t care how apologetic you are, if you’ve deleted 1984 from my kindle, you’ve done some great harm.” —Reetz #gbs #disfordigitize
CopyrightLibn Commenter: G will fix a lot b/c it’d be interesting. But any proj as big as GoogBks should be a open project; #GBS won’t be. #disfordigitize
oitp Cohn: #EFF founded on tenet “architecture is policy”; need to architect privacy into settlement, not bolt on afterwards #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Cohn: authors want people to read their books; people won’t read if someone looking over shoulder—econ. incentive #disfordigitize #gbs
TheSarahBellum Cohn: We need a digital equivalent of hiding a book under your bed, buying a book with cash, etc. #disfordigitize
oitp Cohn: GOOG reticent to say “Come back with a warrant” when gov asks for reader info #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Danielsen: I like books. I like carrying a big braille book in my hand. I don’t like carrying a backpack full of them. #disfordigitize #gbs
CopyrightLibn Danielsen: Accessibility of e-bks to ppl who can’t read print is pivotal; no commercial provider is making them accessible #disfordigitize
oitp Danielsen: Settlement provides for substantially similar user experience for disabled users as nondisabled #disfordigitize #gbs
TheSarahBellum “Blind people are willing to pay for books, but they must be books that we can read.” —Chris Danielsen, NFB. #disfordigitize
oitp Mtima: Why didn’t Library of Congress come out two decades ago with an idea for comprehensive digital library? #disfordigitize #gbs
CopyrightLibn Russell: libn love-hate rel w/#GBS. Diff principles from parties involved in negotiations; but pragmatically, it’d help! #disfordigitize
oitp Russell: Licensing is bane of librarian existence…Settlement proposes renting the books libraries already bought? #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Russell: Licensing can circumvent traditional legal and library exemptions #disfordigitize #gbs
CopyrightLibn Russell: Public domain (which could be restricted thru GBS) is “something that lives inside all the books” #disfordigitize | lovely image!
oitp Russell: Settlement could affect funding for other digitization initiatives #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Russell: Libraries could’ve gotten together 10 years ago to collaborate and scan at least public domain, but didn’t #disfordigitize #gbs
CopyrightLibn Russell: Cong sees Goog as having stepped in to solve the orphan work prob. #disfordigitize | so many orphans NOT in Goog corpus
TheSarahBellum Cohn: By digitizing, are we creating culture that better enables censorship? Amazon/1984 example: ebook was simply deleted. #disfordigitize
oitp Hirtle: are we demanding more privacy from Google than we do with other 3rd parties, e.g. OCLC privacy policy? #disfordigitize #gbs
ochlocracylaw finally addressing amazon issue: ‘model more dangerous than google’? #disfordigitize
oitp “O is for Orphans” panel with Bernard Lang, Harry Lewis, Jule Sigall, Michele Woods, Katherina de la Durantaye #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Woods from Copyright Office: Settlement does not define orphan works or treat them as a separate subset #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Woods: Congress has been close to passing orphan works legislation twice in past 5 years #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Lang: A national registry is incompatible with the “no formalities” requirement of Berne Convention #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Harry Lewis: inclusion of orphans in the settlement is like growing crops on abandoned land #disfordigitize #gbs
TechLaw_Elman jule Sigall: Google gets a de facto exclusive license under lots of Orphan Works thru the class action settlement. #disfordigitize #gbs
TechLaw_Elman Jule Sigall: Orphan Works is at the top of the list of copyright issues Congress is interested in. #disfordigitize #gbs
TechLaw_Elman de la Durantaye: Google Books suit is spurring international harmonization of the Orphan Works problem. #disfordigitize #gbs
TechLaw_Elman de la Durantaye: Europeana digital database is limited. Mostly pub domain works, mostly from France, not multinat’l. #disfordigitize #gbs
TechLaw_Elman B Lang: The Google Settlement is not consistent with int’l law of No Formalities req. What if registry in eachcountry? #disfordigitize #gbs
TechLaw_Elman Encourage University Presses to put their list of orphan works into public domain. #disfordigitize #gbs
TechLaw_Elman Jules Sigall: Is the Authors Guild & AAP committed to a solution thru Orphan Works legisln? Probably not. #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp “A is for Antitrust” panel with Matt Schruers, Sherwin Siy, Einer Elhauge, Gary Reback, mod. Christopher Suarez #disfordigitize #gbs
TechLaw_Elman Sherwin Siy, Public Knowledge: How many authors wd opt in to alternative lic’g scheme? Google gets de facto monopoly. #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Siy: opt-out corpus available to GOOG much bigger than any opt-in collection available to competitors #disfordigitize #gbs
mblafkin Defending GBS: “An orphan work is not valuable, thus collection of all orphan works must be valueless.” Network theory ? #disfordigitize
TechLaw_Elman S Siy: The unique Corpus of books available to Google becomes a separate “product” in institutional subscription mkt. #disfordigitize #gbs
oitp Elhauge: We need to ask: Does settlement lower consumer welfare from what it would without a settlement? #disfordigitize #gbs
TechLaw_Elman E Elhauge: U can’t ban a settlement tht benefits the public interest because an alternative wd benefit the public more #disfordigitize #gbs
TheSarahBellum RT @oitp: Siy: is GBS circumventing law, like a waste co. signing deal w/ city to continue dumping while competitors can’t? #disfordigitize
oitp Elhauge: w/o settlement, many out-of-copyright books won’t be offered by GOOG or rivals bc transaction costs and risks #disfordigitize #gbs
EC i am very suspicious of the price-setting algoritm. #disfordigitize
footage RT @CopyrightLibn: if GBS stops orph wks legis sol’ns what abt nonbook orph wks? [like ~ 300,000 orph nontheat films] #disfordigitize
footage RT @CopyrightLibn: if GBS stops orph wks legis sol’ns what abt nonbook orph wks? [like ~ 300,000 orph nontheat films] #disfordigitize
oitp Reback: GOOG is already a monopolist in search; we need to be concerned about incremental increases in market share #disfordigitize #gbs
TechLaw_Elman Reback: Where’s Fair Use in the case? Sense of betrayal by public agst Google to fail to litigate Fair Use. #disfordigitize #gbs
Garants du patrimoine culturel de l’humanité, les Etats se sont fait doubler comme des bleus par les gamins du Net.
Il est encore temps de réagir : la numérisation des livres n’est pas si coûteuse qu’elle soit hors de portée des budgets nationaux. Encore faut-il se dégager de l’auguste lenteur des administrations culturelles.
Plutôt que de crier haro sur le Google, les partisans du pluralisme doivent surtout houspiller l’Etat. A l’heure du numérique, lui aussi doit changer de rythme. Faute de quoi il verra ses prérogatives se craqueler comme un vieux grimoire oublié.
D’après cet article du Journal du net :
Viviane Reding veut réformer le droit d’auteur en Europe - Journal du Net > e-Business
La commissaire européen, Viviane Redding, en charge des technologies de l’information a appelé à une remise à plat et à une harmonisation des législations européennes sur la propriété intellectuelle.
Viviane Redding, qui était déjà très impliquée dans l’initative de la Commission I-2010 Digital Libraries, estime qu’une refonte du système est nécessaire pour permettre le développement de l’offre légale. Elle indique même partager le point de vue de Google, qui a déclaré récemment que la conception européenne du droit d’auteur constituait un frein à l’innovation, comme le montrent les obstacles rencontrés par le moteur à propos de Google Book Search.
Pour Vivaine Redding, cette refonte passe d’abord par l’adoption du Paquet Telecom (avec son fameux amendement 138 anti-risposte graduée). Mais on peut aussi espérer que des suites seront données au Livre vert de la Commission “Le Droit d’Auteur dans l’Economie de la Connaissance” qui soulevait des pistes très intéressantes de rééquilibrage.
La parution d’un Livre blanc avait été évoquée, mais rien encore à l’horizon. A suivre …
